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[Vic] Crewman Divisional Vans

Postby Richmeister » Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:30 pm

There was an item on National Nine News tonight about the new vans. I have some screenshots of it (PM me if you want them), but I'm probably going to head down to the Melbourne motor show next weekend to get some photos of my own.

More: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=44926
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Postby Wolverine » Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:21 am

I found this interesting
ninemsn news wrote:............a speed checking device that van crews can use to book speeding motorists.


No longer is the mobile radar the domain of the TMU

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Postby Richmeister » Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:36 am

VicPol already have divisional vans with hand-held radar, and caged GD sedans with MMR.
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Postby Wolverine » Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:02 am

Richmeister wrote:VicPol already have divisional vans with hand-held radar, and caged GD sedans with MMR.


OK thanks. See you learn something new every day :wink:
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Postby Richmeister » Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:17 pm

I just recieved some high resolution photos of the new vans, which I will add to the main site after I get home tonight.
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Postby Wolverine » Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:22 pm

Excellent. :D
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Postby Eddie » Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:25 pm

Can't wait!

Wonder if other states will follow..
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Postby Richmeister » Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:45 pm

I've just uploaded the photos of the new vans, they're at the bottom of General Duties Page 3 of the VicPol section.
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Postby Wolverine » Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:18 am

Richmeister wrote:I've just uploaded the photos of the new vans, they're at the bottom of General Duties Page 3 of the VicPol section.


Excellent photos Richard. My compliments to the photographer. The resolution is excellent :D
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Postby rgg066 » Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:30 pm

Richmeister wrote:VicPol already have divisional vans with hand-held radar, and caged GD sedans with MMR.


Many country stations Eg. Heathcote have had a hand held radar on the van for ages. I recall the Heathcote van having one in 1996.

Other Country GD sedans have had them for just as long.

Terang has MMR in its' GD sedan.
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Postby HDTSLE » Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:21 pm

Just heard that WA Police are now trialling a new Holden Crewman divisional van at the driver training unit and is being assessed to replace our fleet on BA Falcon ute/van's. Trial period will be about 3 months and they will announce a decision then.

Can't wait to get my hands on one!
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Postby rgg066 » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:02 pm

HDTSLE wrote:Just heard that WA Police are now trialling a new Holden Crewman divisional van at the driver training unit and is being assessed to replace our fleet on BA Falcon ute/van's. Trial period will be about 3 months and they will announce a decision then.

Can't wait to get my hands on one!



Don't go getting too excited about them. They are a tank of a vehicle. The turning circle is crap and they have a huge blind spot. So if you guys in WA get them, they will arrive with an official policy for the observer to get out and guide the vehicle when the need arises to reverse the "great white hearse!"

It's a shame Ford stopped making the XH Panel Van in 98, cause they were great and certainly better than a Crewman.

The Police Pack XH Panel Van had Bucket Seats, ABS, Drivers Airbag & Cruise Control. If Ford made a current spec Panel Van with Dual Airbags I'd much rather drive one of them than a Crewman.

The vast majority of the time we don't need a Div Van with extra seating capacity, that's what a sedan is for, so the extra seats are a waste. For the city areas where the Mini Brawaler type vehicle is needed, the Mercedes Sprinter is better, as it can be fitted out a number of ways, including 5 police Members with a rear prisoner Cell to seat 6 crooks.

I don't see the point of a Crewman Div Van. The Crewman Div Van body on a Commodore Ute would do the job and be cheaper to run.
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Postby Richmeister » Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:22 pm

rgg066 wrote:Terang has MMR in its' GD sedan.


So does the Bridgewater unit.

RGG - How big is the difference between the XH panel van and the BA caged truck?
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Postby rgg066 » Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:34 pm

There's a huge difference. The XH was lighter, far more agile, (better handling and quicker)

The BA Vans carry ballast in the body to reduce body roll. The body which is quite heavy, plus extra ballast saps what is the already asthmatic performance of a BA Ute.
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Postby Richmeister » Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:42 pm

I saw a Crewman (MBU-485) in Bendigo this morning.

Just heard that WA Police are now trialling a new Holden Crewman divisional van at the driver training unit and is being assessed to replace our fleet on BA Falcon ute/van's. Trial period will be about 3 months and they will announce a decision then.


Heard any more about it HDTSLE?
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Postby Danny » Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:58 pm

I Managed to photograph the Only marked crewman in NSW the other day....

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Postby wat? » Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:38 pm

Melb West are getting a crewman apparently to replace one of the vans written off.
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Postby Richmeister » Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:32 pm

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MBS-001, 221, 586, 587, 600
MBU-410, 432, 443, 485, 487
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Postby TMU622 » Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:52 pm

I think you will find that the speed checking device they were referring to is just a digital speedo that is capable of being locked on for doing MED ( maintaining even distance) speed checks, not a radar. 95% of all country vehicles members, div van or sedan have had hand held radar for donkeys. A good 30-40 % now have mobile radars as well!
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Postby Hwy612 » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:47 pm

rgg066 wrote:
Richmeister wrote:VicPol already have divisional vans with hand-held radar, and caged GD sedans with MMR.


Many country stations Eg. Heathcote have had a hand held radar on the van for ages. I recall the Heathcote van having one in 1996.

Other Country GD sedans have had them for just as long.

Terang has MMR in its' GD sedan.




One of a few in that area that have MMR and possibly more will soon.
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Postby rgg066 » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:32 am

Where would the TMU be without all that TAC money to purchase Police equipment and pay for O/T shifts? :roll:

Maybe the decals on all the TMU cars could be changed to "Police/TAC" under the slogan of "a partnership in law enforcement and state revenue collection." :lol:
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Postby Hwy612 » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:06 am

WE would be driving around in double bubbles with a hand held HR4 with the only O/T coming from the Divisional budget.
























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Postby Car RAMROD » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:24 am

Hello All,

I'm a GD copper in Melbourne. I've driven the Crewman, and it has one major advantage, and that's the light bars. We finally have a van that can be seen when the blueys are turned on. Pulling over a car or stopping on a road with a speed limit of 80km/h+ in the old vans was treachrous at best.

Having said that, the Crewman isn't the be-all-and-end-all that Hoplden wants us to think it is. The suspension feels like it has been firmed up, particularly through the front. As a driver, there's no feedback through the steering and the front end has a tendancy to understeer, a LOT. To perform a U-Turn you cross 3 timezones and it isn't fitted with MDT (The reason why they aren't is absurd too). There is a white mesh over the outside of the windows on the pod, and if I need to put a second crook in the back or get one out, I can't see in to what my crook is doing before I open the door. Dangerous. The crooks can look straight through into the cabin and see everything members are doing and can see any witnesses that may be being transported. Also, when the MDT are finally added, crooks will be able to read everything on them. Plus, you can only put two crooks in the back. It's not often that three crooks go in the back, but in my short four years, it has been very handy a couple of occaisions.

The Ford van wasn't perfect, but it was a one tonne ute doing the job of a light truck, moving that massive pod and all the weights in the body at the back around. I haven't decided yet (other than the light bars) whether this is an improvement, or just a change.

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Postby HDTSLE » Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:35 pm

Nope, haven't heard anything yet Rich. The few rumblings I have heard are that we won't be getting them. Oh well.....just have to wait and see....
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Postby Pete » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:13 pm

With the GDs being certified in the use of radar, what training do they undergo? The same as the HWP? Do they elect to do the course?

Here in NSW, as I am sure you know, radar and lidar are wholy and soley the domain of the HWP.

The crewmans look good. Never been in one. I saw it out at fleet at Enfield a few months ago when I was getting something fixed on the XR8...AGAIN.

Ramrod, good point re crooks seeing out and you not seeing in. A major cause for concern.

In NSW the rodeo trucks (read heap of sh*t) are the same. There is a direction that the observer has to guide it back when reversing. They can see from the cage into the vehicle proper. The main reason for it is so we can see in and make sure they are not self harming etc.

The light bars on our GD trucks are a joke. You reckon yours were bad. We have a little ripple light bar with lights up a light blub. Very ineffective. Do UDD with the trucks with the old vehicle markings on the
was a scary ride! We didn't even have red and blue lights on the back. Some years ago they changed it and fitted a red and blue light to the rear of the cage. Then generally don't work. A mate of mine put in a report about it to fleet services to get LED lights, but still nothing.
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Postby Richmeister » Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:48 pm

I had a look at the brand new Crewman in Bendigo this afternoon, and it doesn't have any mesh over the rear windoes, you can see right in! I saw it going lights and bells as well, the blue LEDs were almost invisible in sunlight and the red ones weren't much better.

Here in NSW, as I am sure you know, radar and lidar are wholy and soley the domain of the HWP.

Except in Jugiong!
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Postby Hwy612 » Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:26 pm

Pete, any member can undrgo the radar, laser, moving mode radar courses the same as the TMU (HWP).
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Postby Car RAMROD » Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:31 pm

Our Crewman looked great today as it was loaded up on the back of a flat-top and towed away to have the solinoid (I believe) in the transmission replaced. Couldn't start it at all.

Damn it. If only I'd taken a picture I could have got "photo of the month" in the first month!
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Postby Pete » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:57 pm

Thanks 612. Seems like a good idea I suppose. I reckon us HWP blokes up here would be 'up in arms' if they tried it up here but.
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Postby Hwy612 » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:23 am

When I joined, after the academy, trainees did training at various specialist units in the Force, one being the TOG, where all trainees were radar qualified during that 4 week visit, it has just continued on from there since they did away with that type of post Academy Probie Training.
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Postby Car RAMROD » Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:46 pm

Got the former non-functioning Crewman back. Nothing wrong with it according to Holden. Apparently we don't know how to start an automatic Commodore (So in other words, its one of those intermittant faults that dealers have trouble tracing).

We'll see how quick the tow truck gets there to tow us away when we come up code 9 and the van won't start!
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Postby rgg066 » Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:11 pm

Car RAMROD wrote:Got the former non-functioning Crewman back. Nothing wrong with it according to Holden. Apparently we don't know how to start an automatic Commodore (So in other words, its one of those intermittant faults that dealers have trouble tracing).

We'll see how quick the tow truck gets there to tow us away when we come up code 9 and the van won't start!



Holden Dealers are good at giving the keys back telling you nothing is wrong with a vehicle when there clearly is and also do so when they have fixed stuff and replaced parts.
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Postby HDTSLE » Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:17 pm

Rich check your email, sent you the first picture I could find of the Crewman van we are trialling here in the west, I'd post it here but I failed twice and lost my patience!!!!!
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Postby Danny » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:06 am

HDSTLE there are some pics of the New WAPOL Crewman on my website.

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Postby Ryno » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:42 am

Had a small cruise in one today!

We've got one at the academy so the traffic training guys are checking it out - early reports are they're pleased!

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Postby Eddie » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:04 pm

are they better for carrying offenders in the back than the fords were?
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Postby Richmeister » Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:20 pm

Not good at carrying offenders at all from what I've heard - it was in the news today that they're all being recalled after offenders managed to break out through the escape hatch in the roof on four separate occasions!
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Postby rgg066 » Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:18 am

In this current new age of sensitive, caring and non confrontational Policing, the hatch is actually there with consideration for any offender who suffers from claustrophobia!

So those 4 wayward citizens labelled as escapees were simply making an attempt to resolve an underlying medical condition!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Escape hatches in Div Vans. Good grief, what will they think of next. Maybe the crooks will get DVD screens to watch a movie on, for those longer trips of say over 30 mins from any lockup to the Remand Centre or any court appearances!

For all we know, the DVD idea is probably already under consideration!!

Nothing surprises me anymore.
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Postby Richmeister » Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:27 am

rgg066 wrote:Escape hatches in Div Vans. Good grief, what will they think of next. Maybe the crooks will get DVD screens to watch a movie on, for those longer trips of say over 30 mins from any lockup to the Remand Centre or any court appearances!

For all we know, the DVD idea is probably already under consideration!!


As Ramrod said, the MDT screens will be fully visible from the back when they're added, is that close enough?
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Postby 1Sqn » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:48 pm

What happen to that ford Divie so why they have change to crewman so quickly,

yes that what i heard about offencer got out it wasnt surprise me,

but that is alot waste of money to spend new crewman at first place i mean they should inspection first before release to police service it means safe the cost for being waste of $$$.

i am trying to explain,

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Postby APF » Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:40 am

1Sqn wrote:What happen to that ford Divie so why they have change to crewman so quickly,

yes that what i heard about offencer got out it wasnt surprise me,

however police have always spend so much money to get better secure to stop the offencer escape, but that is alot waste of money to spend new crewman i mean they should inspection first(they should check if that possible safe rather sorry where offencer already got out from hatch on the roof, and also check everything) before release to police service it means safe the cost for being waste of $$$ what i mean if they waste these $$$ the problem they would not get more police car.


My brain hurts after reading that......

The ford van has been superceeded by the new holden vans. They are just rolling out the Holdens progressively as the Fords reach their maximum mileage
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Postby Richmeister » Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:47 am

APF wrote:as the Fords reach their maximum mileage


And then some! Most of them seem to be going through Auto Group at 75-85,000 km!
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Postby Car RAMROD » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:47 am

Richmeister wrote:
APF wrote:as the Fords reach their maximum mileage


And then some! Most of them seem to be going through Auto Group at 75-85,000 km!


The vans at the two police stations I have worked at this year were both in the high 90's when they went back.



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Postby APF » Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:47 am

We took a short cut, one of ours got written off in a bingle!
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Postby Richmeister » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:50 am

If anyone wants to pick up the old Bendigo 317, it's at Auto Group next Wednesday:
140 10/04 FORD FALCON XL BA 4.0 Semi Auto Winter White CAB CHASSIS Unleaded 83996 MBS054

There's a new Crewman in town (MBV573), so I'd guess the 307 (MBS085) has been replaced as well.
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Postby 1Sqn » Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:16 pm

Richmeister wrote:If anyone wants to pick up the old Bendigo 317, it's at Auto Group next Wednesday:
140 10/04 FORD FALCON XL BA 4.0 Semi Auto Winter White CAB CHASSIS Unleaded 83996 MBS054



So how much that cost would be.
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Postby rgg066 » Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:12 pm

For one in the 80's or 90's about $15k, but why on earth would you consider one? :shock:

The good ones get a very hard time. Most get an absolute hiding!
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Postby Richmeister » Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:49 pm

Just heard from a mate in Melbourne that VicPol are fitting slimline plates to new Crewman vans to solve the problem of the rear plate hitting suburban driveways - currently the solution is to bend the bottom of the plate in line with the bottom of the bumper - see http://www.auspolcars.info/index.php?st ... e=602RH075
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Postby Car RAMROD » Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:22 am

With the invention of the wonderful Holden Crewman Divisional Vans, are NSW Police going to ditch the Rodeos? My girlfriend has just got a Rodeo as a company car and its a nice enough thing, for a truck, but there's not way I'd be interested in doing urgent duties driving in it.

So, anyone know if the Crewman are going to complement, or are they going to replace the Rodeos?
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